tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32351755.post7600345825639172082..comments2023-08-01T11:15:10.503-04:00Comments on Scientia's Blog: 2008: AMD Still TrailingScientia from AMDZonehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11307174874527564058noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32351755.post-28121456331747143682008-03-29T03:35:00.000-04:002008-03-29T03:35:00.000-04:00Thanks for the information.IMHO, while K10 can sti...Thanks for the information.<BR/><BR/>IMHO, while K10 can still compete with Core 2 on a number of server-grade performance, against Nehalem it doesn't seem to stand a chance. Nehalem and Shanghai have similar die size and supposedly similar production cost, but it seems to me with Nehalem's gain of QuickPath and IMC, Shanghai will be in a worse position than Barcelona.<BR/><BR/>What's your abinsteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09589312866039619976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32351755.post-26958749130949965212008-03-16T05:19:00.000-04:002008-03-16T05:19:00.000-04:00Thanks for your time Scientia.Seems that processor...Thanks for your time Scientia.<BR/><BR/>Seems that processor designing/architecting is a really tough job. :DUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06169485147097583599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32351755.post-6360556814629404542008-03-11T07:22:00.000-04:002008-03-11T07:22:00.000-04:00I doubt x86 for small devices will take off sooner...I doubt x86 for small devices will take off sooner than 2 years. The device world and embedded world is not dependent on x86 software, and most software, operating systems and libraries are ARM or MIPS, and you can't just recompile everything for x86.<BR/><BR/>Plus Intel will have to battle its way into mobile space the first years, and the costs for hardware supporting the the smallest x86 Pop Catalin Severhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10767225265147312372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32351755.post-12673823318845033992008-03-11T04:08:00.000-04:002008-03-11T04:08:00.000-04:00Yes, I'm certain that small devices will change to...Yes, I'm certain that small devices will change to x86 based processors. Current processors in this market tend to be MIPS or ARM based.<BR/><BR/>AMD which already has a large presence in this market is going to start replacing its current MIPS based embedded processors with x86 units. However, replacing a single processor with another one is not the same as replacing with large scale multi-core.Scientia from AMDZonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11307174874527564058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32351755.post-92177397105396476842008-03-10T23:29:00.000-04:002008-03-10T23:29:00.000-04:00Thanks Scientia for your comments. I agree, these...Thanks Scientia for your comments. I agree, these small, low power x86 processors will not take off overnight, but as process technology shrinks the size and cost of this type of processor couldn't it find its way into phone and palm type devices in the next few years?bkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00755289454809142577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32351755.post-21503209055463372062008-03-10T18:27:00.000-04:002008-03-10T18:27:00.000-04:00I accidentally found this page from amd website :D...I accidentally found this page from amd website :D<BR/>it has shanghai die shot :)<BR/>and some info about process technology.<BR/><BR/>http://www.amd.com/us-en/0,,3715_15503,00.html?redir=45nm01<BR/><BR/>Was I living under the rock, or this immersion lithography is something new? :)muziqazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01677934264565184726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32351755.post-16577573208147951132008-03-10T14:04:00.000-04:002008-03-10T14:04:00.000-04:00Scientia:What are your thoughts of AMD's Montreal ...Scientia:<BR/><BR/>What are your thoughts of AMD's Montreal processor?<BR/><BR/>It's supposed to be an 8-core native uArch, but the real question is if its going to have IPC improvements or is just two Shanghai cores stitched together?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06169485147097583599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32351755.post-12729724560577980432008-03-08T23:34:00.000-05:002008-03-08T23:34:00.000-05:00bkDo you remember the hype before Cell was release...<B>bk</B><BR/><BR/>Do you remember the hype before Cell was released? It was going to deliver a phenomenal amount of FP processing power, 10X greater than any existing processor. It was going to usher in a new programming paradigm. Deja vu; Intel says:<BR/><BR/><I>"designed specifically for a new wave of Mobile Internet Devices and simple, low-cost PC's. This small wonder is a fundamental new Scientia from AMDZonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11307174874527564058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32351755.post-79667496534780463392008-03-08T21:35:00.000-05:002008-03-08T21:35:00.000-05:00Scientia,If you have any opinions or facts about t...Scientia,<BR/><BR/>If you have any opinions or facts about the Intel Atom processor, I'd love to hear them. Also, how do you think AMD's Bobcat will compare.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/>Brianbkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00755289454809142577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32351755.post-92062973812179345872008-03-06T17:38:00.000-05:002008-03-06T17:38:00.000-05:00enumaeFrom what I can tell you have a new ramp est...<B>enumae</B><BR/><BR/>From what I can tell you have a new ramp estimate that is about 20% higher earlier in the year. This means that Intel gets to the good 25% volume mark at mid May instead of the end of May.<BR/><BR/>The 50% crossover point has moved forward about three weeks from just before mid October to just after mid September. But then with the slower ramp later in 2008 I'm not seeing Scientia from AMDZonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11307174874527564058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32351755.post-12958163774827800812008-03-06T02:29:00.000-05:002008-03-06T02:29:00.000-05:00great post. yeah, i was worried about IBM too.but...great post. yeah, i was worried about IBM too.<BR/><BR/>but you missed puma. thats going to be a big deal, i hope.<BR/><BR/>i think 780g and a simple dual core chip, is the perfect sweet spot for the whole market. hope they can milk that.<BR/><BR/>and graphics are looking really nice. the 55nm chips are sweet, and the R700 is coming. lets hope its great.Bradley Colemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09914809372532302544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32351755.post-88729579421719338202008-03-05T18:02:00.000-05:002008-03-05T18:02:00.000-05:00What are your thoughts about Intel's revised 45nm ...What are your thoughts about <A HREF="http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/583/45nmramp352008bo5.jpg" REL="nofollow">Intel's revised 45nm ramp</A> vs their <A HREF="http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/626/intel45nmrampenumaeyc4.jpg" REL="nofollow">previous 45nm ramp</A>?enumaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279137923346047097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32351755.post-27682298056917088862008-03-04T20:01:00.000-05:002008-03-04T20:01:00.000-05:00enumaeThank you; I made some tweaks in the article...<B>enumae</B><BR/><BR/>Thank you; I made some tweaks in the article.Scientia from AMDZonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11307174874527564058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32351755.post-56023497957754719152008-03-04T19:18:00.000-05:002008-03-04T19:18:00.000-05:00ScientiaLikewise the tiny speed increases from 3.0...<B> Scientia<BR/>Likewise the tiny speed increases from 3.0 Ghz to 3.16 Ghz (quad core) and 3.33Ghz (dual core) are no doubt frustrating for Intel fans who would like more speed.</B><BR/><BR/>You missed the <A HREF="http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLANH" REL="nofollow">X5272 3.4GHz Dual Core</A>.<BR/><BR/><B>This chart at Computerbase claims AMD will release an FX chip in Q2.<enumaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279137923346047097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32351755.post-65232496915448437472008-03-04T11:35:00.000-05:002008-03-04T11:35:00.000-05:00randyI've been thinking that with all the hardware...<B>randy</B><BR/><BR/>I've been thinking that with all the hardware additions to K10 including doubled FP units, doubled buses, sideband stack optimizer, and COUNT execution unit I think new hardware in Shanghai is unlikely. I'm thinking that reducing the decoding time of some of the integer instructions is more likely. This might give you 3%. Although cache sensitive benchmarks could bump more Scientia from AMDZonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11307174874527564058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32351755.post-89593849889625690312008-03-04T10:01:00.000-05:002008-03-04T10:01:00.000-05:00Also, I don't know where people are getting the id...Also, I don't know where people are getting the idea that 45nm = more clockspeed for AMD. When AMD went from 130nm -> 90nm and from 90nm -> 65nm they, at first, had a lower clockspeed. <BR/><BR/>If AMD is maxing out 65nm at 2.6GHz for quad core this year, I'd expect 45nm to be at 2.4 or 2.5GHz. During 2009 they'll increase the frequency to probably speeds around or slightly in excess of 3GHz.Randy Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00148820652706612341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32351755.post-70844099886017734392008-03-04T09:58:00.000-05:002008-03-04T09:58:00.000-05:00Yes. It'll be some minor changes that will give so...Yes. It'll be some minor changes that will give something in the range of a 5 -> 10% performance increase at the same frequency which is a similar performance increase to what Intel got on average going from 65 -> 45. <BR/><BR/>No, they're not going to make any huge wild additions that would result in a massive IPC boost across the board. That will be saved for their next generation architecture.Randy Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00148820652706612341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32351755.post-16520132007518094282008-03-03T20:47:00.000-05:002008-03-03T20:47:00.000-05:00People can stop speculating on howto improve Barce...People can stop speculating on how<BR/>to improve Barcelona-AMD have ALREADY <BR/>done it.<BR/><BR/>Shanghai is NOT just a die shrink with a boost in L3 cache and clock speeds but ALSO has core improvements over Barcelona – this has been confirmed by AMD!Polonium210https://www.blogger.com/profile/03179220006087088532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32351755.post-56569581416814014112008-02-29T18:32:00.000-05:002008-02-29T18:32:00.000-05:00randyYes, if Hiroshige is correct then that would ...<B>randy</B><BR/><BR/>Yes, if Hiroshige is correct then that would be Gainestown. I wonder though if that figure includes Turbo Mode.Scientia from AMDZonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11307174874527564058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32351755.post-60283612767817926422008-02-29T17:10:00.000-05:002008-02-29T17:10:00.000-05:00Scientia about the details released of Nehalem and...Scientia about the details released of Nehalem and the "big" die and complex design, do you think AMD could try to undercut Intel by releasing a redesigned K10 with 256KB L2 for each core and 3MB/4MB L3 on 45nm?<BR/>AMD could undercut intel price by having a much smaller quad core CPU?<BR/><BR/>Even performing more poorly, four cores is for cores, marketing always wins engineering ;)<BR/><BR/><BRAguiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11901972653513415336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32351755.post-54525955653106429502008-02-29T17:02:00.000-05:002008-02-29T17:02:00.000-05:00If I may carry on from the previous discussion. Sc...If I may carry on from the previous discussion. Scientia, have you seen this document? <BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/26qb5l<BR/><BR/>If the information is accurate then the CPU Intel is referring in the internal projections chart would be Gainestown, which is a quad core CPU. I think this makes sense since Beckton isn't due until 2009, and it is an MP server product when the chart is comparing DP Randy Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00148820652706612341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32351755.post-62884080653815792412008-02-29T16:45:00.000-05:002008-02-29T16:45:00.000-05:00Scientia I just don’t understand how AMD wants to ...Scientia I just don’t understand how AMD wants to do all that without increasing its market share?<BR/><BR/>Where will the money come from?<BR/><BR/>Besides there are great products going to be released like the 780G which will be probably be the best IGP ever. <BR/>An IGP the every Intel folks, partners even Apple would like to have but unfortunately will be limited to AMD platforms, at least itAguiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11901972653513415336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32351755.post-57103720079115599452008-02-29T16:33:00.000-05:002008-02-29T16:33:00.000-05:00We can also talk about the recent Nehalem projecte...We can also talk about the recent Nehalem projected Spec scores.<BR/><BR/>EUV obviously won't be a factor until maybe late 2011 or early 2012.<BR/><BR/>A possible NY FAB would be 2012 at the earliest.Scientia from AMDZonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11307174874527564058noreply@blogger.com